Why would someone read a book clearly titled erotic romance and then complain that the sex tropes are icky? Especially when we are talking about common tropes here - threesomes, double penetration, BDSM, et cetera.
I'm reading a thread on AAR (I know, it's AAR forums, a bastion of conservative readers), where this reader talks about tearing apart - literally, or so she claims - a Maya Banks book due to the sexual elements that she found objectionable. Here's the thing: when I read an erotic romance, I expect sex scenes that push the envelopes. In fact, due to the ubiquity of the tropes, some elements in erotic romance now seem tame to me. I've talked in my reviews about the Neighborhood BDSM Sex Club Just Around The Corner That Everyone, Even Your Granny, Knows About, for example. Or how every hero or heroine is now running a brothel without encountering legal complications. Or how two men can happily decide, "Yay for fisting!" and go at it without copious preparation involving lube and what not. Or how double penetrations can always take place spontaneously, without any hitch or even a "Uh... my back's killing me, how about a change of position?" Or how a woman can service more than two men in one night without breaking a sweat and experiencing any discomfort. But at the end of the day, these are what make erotic fiction what they are.
Erotic romance should be risky. They should challenge the reader as much as they arouse. That's the whole point of erotic fiction. You start reading, you get off, and you have fun.
Reading an erotic romance while expecting the author to conform to your comfort zone is a ridiculous concept, because the author cannot read your mind and tailoring an erotic romance to the most basic denominator means that it would turn out to be vanilla rather than erotic. There should be more than missionary positions in erotic romance. THAT'S THE POINT OF THE WHOLE GENRE!
Therefore, when reading a book by any erotic romance author, the reader should be aware that there is a chance that she may be squicked or offended. And when this happens, it may not be because the author is a bad writer, she writes "trash", or she is secretly an amoral slut. YOU could be the problem here. YOU do not find the fantasies erotic. This doesn't mean that you are "wrong" to find the fantasies icky. It just means that the erotic romance has failed to click with you. Move on, pass the book to someone else who enjoy the sexual fantasy, and go read something else. Like a non-erotic romance story. If you open an erotic romance expecting to pass judgment on the characters' sexual behavior or the "acceptability" factor of the sexual scenes, then you probably shouldn't be reading that genre in the first place.
PS: Sorry for the tone, but I'm a bit tired of erotic romances becoming the punching bag of every other person in the genre.
I'm reading a thread on AAR (I know, it's AAR forums, a bastion of conservative readers), where this reader talks about tearing apart - literally, or so she claims - a Maya Banks book due to the sexual elements that she found objectionable. Here's the thing: when I read an erotic romance, I expect sex scenes that push the envelopes. In fact, due to the ubiquity of the tropes, some elements in erotic romance now seem tame to me. I've talked in my reviews about the Neighborhood BDSM Sex Club Just Around The Corner That Everyone, Even Your Granny, Knows About, for example. Or how every hero or heroine is now running a brothel without encountering legal complications. Or how two men can happily decide, "Yay for fisting!" and go at it without copious preparation involving lube and what not. Or how double penetrations can always take place spontaneously, without any hitch or even a "Uh... my back's killing me, how about a change of position?" Or how a woman can service more than two men in one night without breaking a sweat and experiencing any discomfort. But at the end of the day, these are what make erotic fiction what they are.
Erotic romance should be risky. They should challenge the reader as much as they arouse. That's the whole point of erotic fiction. You start reading, you get off, and you have fun.
Reading an erotic romance while expecting the author to conform to your comfort zone is a ridiculous concept, because the author cannot read your mind and tailoring an erotic romance to the most basic denominator means that it would turn out to be vanilla rather than erotic. There should be more than missionary positions in erotic romance. THAT'S THE POINT OF THE WHOLE GENRE!
Therefore, when reading a book by any erotic romance author, the reader should be aware that there is a chance that she may be squicked or offended. And when this happens, it may not be because the author is a bad writer, she writes "trash", or she is secretly an amoral slut. YOU could be the problem here. YOU do not find the fantasies erotic. This doesn't mean that you are "wrong" to find the fantasies icky. It just means that the erotic romance has failed to click with you. Move on, pass the book to someone else who enjoy the sexual fantasy, and go read something else. Like a non-erotic romance story. If you open an erotic romance expecting to pass judgment on the characters' sexual behavior or the "acceptability" factor of the sexual scenes, then you probably shouldn't be reading that genre in the first place.
PS: Sorry for the tone, but I'm a bit tired of erotic romances becoming the punching bag of every other person in the genre.
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There are also readers who are shocked over the magic in paranormals. Or suggested sex with animal-forms. Crazy, isn't it, that a werewolf can't sexxor a female werewolf while in werewolf form (even without details)?
Another one - readers who pick up a historical romance featuring a mistress or courtesan heroine and then complain when the heroine is not a virgin. No kidding, darling, which part of "mistress"/"courtesan" do they not understand?
Better yet, arrange for a Celebrity Death Match style fight so that we can all watch and enjoy.
Just don't do it here. The AAR Stupid Brigade has arrived, and I hate to have a similarly inclined committe from DA to drop by too.
I'm still cracking up at your "My back is killing me...can we change positions" bit. How true! And the gungho right here-right now! fisting, heeheehee. You should put these gems for one of your wonderfully hilarious posts, maybe with the title, "Conversations Not Heard in Erotica." :D Dammit, now I want to use that for my blog!
Looking at all the different IP numbers from you guys pretending to be the same person, I can only wonder whether this is some kind of new entertainment for bored cyber sisters. Don't you guys have some WankyFail thing to get hot and bothered over?
Edited at 2009-10-28 02:43 pm (UTC)
Anyway, that's obviously not the AAR commenter's primary issue... but that kind of subtext could be contributing to her reaction. (Or not; I have no idea of her reading tastes. I'm just playing devil's advocate because the Banks mention reminded me of my own reaction.)
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Morgan Hawke's Victorious Star was like that for me. There are some scenes in that book where I thought -"Wow - that just sounds very very painful." Other scenes kinda squicked me and yet...I still enjoyed the book. Her sex scenes were integral to the plot and I understood the appeal of the extreme sex for the characters, even though I myself don't find some of those acts sexy.
(Plus one of the male heroes was an alien with two, TWO penises!)
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It's just well I want to explore more of the universe that she's created because that interests me more than pushing the sexual envelope further than she already has. Give me the sex (she writes that very well) but give me even more world because damn she's created a mighty interesting universe and I want more of that universe. And well perhaps a little more female equality. I'd like to think that the heroine actually had a real option besides the "heroes" at the end of the story. It's taking the fictional bdsm "slave" concept a little too far for comfort for my personal preference.
Oh, I'm over the novelty of the double penises but I'd wouldn't hesitate to read more stories set in this universe.
Does anyone know what she's doing these days? I know she released a novel and a short or two with Keningston a few years ago and the M/M romance with Loose-id but other than that she's been rather quiet for quite some time. Does that mean she's been working on something big or that she's no longer writing? Anyone know?
The Haters.
Sorry, I don't get on with LiveJournal, I'm not anonymous really, I'm Lynne Connolly. I just can't work out how to put that without registering.
Do we have a Supertroll? I know the identities of at least three of the major trolls, and I'm guessing you know more, mainly from IP id's and suchlike. Maybe we have One Troll To Rule Them All?
And yay on erotic romance. I write it, I read it, mainly because I enjoy it. Yay for sex. Just read a cracking BDSM book, not my scene and yes, some of the scenes squicked me out, but it was really well written. I can't review it, because I don't review books I share publishers with, but I wish I could.