I don't follow Jane's Romfail Twitter channel. I am not good at the Twitter thing, for one, and I have also read enough bad writing without wanting to subject myself to more, heh. But a fellow Naughty Lady Who Likes To Watch From The Sidelines (thank you!) informed me that recently, author Ray Garton delivered bitchslap all around to participants in a recent Romfail session. Twitter can move quickly, so check out his Twitter channel while his responses are still there. His antics moved an aspiring author to blog in defense of the weekly event here, and Ray responded as well.
Of course I have my own opinion on this. Jane can do whatever she wants, and people who love Romfail have the right to enjoy and defend it. But I can also see where Ray is coming from. Folks like Jane and other readers have nothing to lose in conducting and participating in Romfail, but I always wonder about authors who also participate in such events. Yes, you can say that we shouldn't sugarcoat things or pretend that there is nothing negative in the genre, but things like Romfail aren't about "telling it as it is". Admit it - there's an element of mockery and laughter to be had at the author's expense.
Whether or not such mockery is deserved, there is no denying that authors who participate in such events and join in the pillory are not behaving professionally. I will have the same reaction if I learn that the author is involved in posting at Weeping Cock or LKH Lashout - I will find it hard to take the author seriously due to her behavior. This is different from an author reacting negatively to a bad review, let me make this clear, this is about an author taking part, unprovoked, in the public humiliation of a fellow author. I guess I am just old-fashioned/hypocritical (take your pick) to expect authors to be above such online wank behavior.
There is also the glass house element. Often, whenever I see an author commenting gleefully on a negative review on places like Dear Author, often behaving as if she's better than those hacks, I have to sit on my hands to stop myself from posting excerpts from the author's own works with comments that will puncture her misplaced sense of confidence. No author is perfect. I guess my main problem is, therefore, with how events like Romfail bring out the worst from authors when at the same time I feel that they aren't as infallible as they think they are. And for those authors who claim that they won't react badly if their own works at treated in the same way, I wonder whether we have a way to record those words and then their subsequent reaction when one pillories their work, if only for posterity.
It's not about whether Romfail is right or wrong. It's about how Romfail seems to turn some authors into escapees from the Fandom Wank asylum, behaving like those pigs in Animal Farm and making me cringe at how embarrassing such public behavior is.
But of course, that's how I see such behavior. Maybe they don't have any problem with their behavior. That's why you don't see me around things like Romfail. They may be fun, but they also make me cringe and unable to appreciate the works of the authors who take part in the ha-ha-ha's. Therefore, I try to remain ignorant of the proceeding as much as possible.
PS: Just realized that Ray also wrote as Joseph Locke, whose books I remembered as pretty fun.
PS2: He also wrote the novelization of that movie Can't Hardly Wait. LOLOLOLOL.
Of course I have my own opinion on this. Jane can do whatever she wants, and people who love Romfail have the right to enjoy and defend it. But I can also see where Ray is coming from. Folks like Jane and other readers have nothing to lose in conducting and participating in Romfail, but I always wonder about authors who also participate in such events. Yes, you can say that we shouldn't sugarcoat things or pretend that there is nothing negative in the genre, but things like Romfail aren't about "telling it as it is". Admit it - there's an element of mockery and laughter to be had at the author's expense.
Whether or not such mockery is deserved, there is no denying that authors who participate in such events and join in the pillory are not behaving professionally. I will have the same reaction if I learn that the author is involved in posting at Weeping Cock or LKH Lashout - I will find it hard to take the author seriously due to her behavior. This is different from an author reacting negatively to a bad review, let me make this clear, this is about an author taking part, unprovoked, in the public humiliation of a fellow author. I guess I am just old-fashioned/hypocritical (take your pick) to expect authors to be above such online wank behavior.
There is also the glass house element. Often, whenever I see an author commenting gleefully on a negative review on places like Dear Author, often behaving as if she's better than those hacks, I have to sit on my hands to stop myself from posting excerpts from the author's own works with comments that will puncture her misplaced sense of confidence. No author is perfect. I guess my main problem is, therefore, with how events like Romfail bring out the worst from authors when at the same time I feel that they aren't as infallible as they think they are. And for those authors who claim that they won't react badly if their own works at treated in the same way, I wonder whether we have a way to record those words and then their subsequent reaction when one pillories their work, if only for posterity.
It's not about whether Romfail is right or wrong. It's about how Romfail seems to turn some authors into escapees from the Fandom Wank asylum, behaving like those pigs in Animal Farm and making me cringe at how embarrassing such public behavior is.
But of course, that's how I see such behavior. Maybe they don't have any problem with their behavior. That's why you don't see me around things like Romfail. They may be fun, but they also make me cringe and unable to appreciate the works of the authors who take part in the ha-ha-ha's. Therefore, I try to remain ignorant of the proceeding as much as possible.
PS: Just realized that Ray also wrote as Joseph Locke, whose books I remembered as pretty fun.
PS2: He also wrote the novelization of that movie Can't Hardly Wait. LOLOLOLOL.
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As for Ray, he's got a set.
Unlike some 'Reviewers' I respect your opinion and I hope you will someday critique one of my novels in a professional manner.
Here's what I was going to post on the other blog:
Thank you, Ray, for your support.
As an author whose novel was wrung out and hung to dry on Twitter last March, I kept my mouth shut for a long time. I expressed my dismay in private to my fellow authors and they advised me to let it go. So I did, until now.
I had offered my novel The Toast Bitches for an honest review and instead my work was eviscerated on Twitter. I realize authors should maintain a thick skin and take the bad with the good, but the snickering undertone really got under my so-called writer's hide.
I copied and pasted the thread into a Word document, and once in a while I go back to it and try to glean something useful from the comments, but they still gnaw at me. It wasn't constructive and it didn't offer new writers any advice, except perhaps to avoid mentioning kiwi fruit when describing a man's balls.
I don't need to be told I'm brilliant – I realize I have a lot to learn. I did not benefit from #Romfail (or as it was called at the time #RRTheatre). All I got was a sour taste in my mouth.
Other authors suggested I shouldn't reveal my identity at the risk of coming across as a diva, but I honestly don't think I have a reason to hide. I am Sandra Cormier and I blog and tweet under the name Chumplet.
#Romfail (#RRTheater) was my first (and hopefully only) negative response to my writing. I shall consider myself fortunate if I spend the rest of my career unscathed by such juvenile behaviour.
Whew. I feel much better now! I sent a quick thanks to Ray on Twitter.
If anyone wants to follow me, I'm on Twitter as Chumplet.
I think you must have confused me with someone else. I don't do "professional", so let's not pin unrealistic hopes on me. I buckle under pressure.
I would have thought the majority participating would be readers?
As a reader I enjoy romfail, having read several of the books that have gotten that treatment, and re-visiting through romfail has made me feel slightly less ripped off then when I originally wasted my dosh on the books.
I keep hearing parallels drawn between Romfail and Queryfail. But from what I gathered from my vantage point on the margins of the action (since I didn't follow QF, either), agents participating in Queryfail didn't name names. The agents didn't all get together and say things like, "OMG, too funny! Sarah Greatauthor misspelled 'occasion' twice in her query! Fail," or, "Lisa Aspiringwriter can't craft an intelligible sentence to save her life! Fail."
There was a certain degree of useful info authors could glean from Queryfail, and if they recognized their own letters, at least they had the comfort of knowing no one was pointing and laughing at them, just at their mistakes.
That said, I didn't find much to enjoy in either event.
-Kirsten Saell
But I think there's a big difference between criticizing a book and criticizing an author, and a lot of people getting bent out of shape about #romfail can't seem to grasp that.
I also find it ironic that #romfail hasn't, that I've seen, ever railed on an author, but Garton didn't seem to find a problem with calling #romfail participants assholes, or questioning their parenting ability (!).
Can we say hypocrisy?
I followed SBTB for a long time on Twitter and by following their feed. DA not so much because honestly I can't stand her attitude, but when lately SBTB & DA have been like one brain so what can you do? I was aware of romfail before this but like other people in this thread thought it was a waste of time.
Now that I'm taking a closer look ... damn. Like it has been pointed out a lot of the people taking part are either writers or other bloggers. Where are the readers in this equation?
As a reader, romfail FAILS ME because it offers me nothing. Zero. Zilch. And I can't see how this could possibly offer writers anything other than to be humiliated by other writers (who from what I can tell haven't published anything I'd want to read anyway) and bloggers that I doubt anyone hanging out in the romance section of the store has ever even heard of.
I like snark but I don't equate DA with snark, just a bad attitude. SBTB is getting to be the same way. I just want books recommendations. If I wanted to be entertained I'd READ A BOOK and not spend my Friday night listening to someone else tell me how bad she thinks a book is and a bunch of people (who haven't read the book) agreeing with her.
To the writers defending romfail good luck trying to sell me your book. I wouldn't buy music from a guy who beats his girlfriend, I wouldn't pay to see a movie that has a homophobe in it. I'd wipe my butt with a book written by someone I thought was just a big bully.
I am not an unpleasant person. Ask anyone who knows me. I'm opinionated and have no qualms about voicing my opinions, but I'm perfectly aware that they're nothing more than opinions. Nor am I opposed to others expressing their opinions -- and that includes opinions about my books, or anyone else's. I read my bad reviews a lot more closely than the good ones, because there's a much better chance I'll actually learn something from criticism. There are always those reviewers who get personal and go beyond the parameters of professionalism, but I don't flinch, because I know that says a lot more about the reviewer than it says about my work, or about me. And I never respond. I have no problem with anyone spouting off about a book or a movie -- I do it myself, and I'm pretty blunt. But a group of adults that includes aspiring writers and even published writers gathering weekly to rip apart a book most of them haven't read as the group's leader posts excerpts taken out of context -- I found that very offensive and rather disturbing, and I had to comment. The fact that they pick on books in the romance genre means nothing. They could have been westerns, or sci-fi novels, or comic books. It was the BEHAVIOR that I found offensive. And when this snide, sneering group responded to my criticism by foaming at the mouth, I decided to cut loose.
If you're going to engage in this kind of behavior, it might be a good idea to have some thick skin. If you can dish it out the way the #romfailures dish it out, then you'd better be able to take it. It was immediately obvious to me that they couldn't. And I proved it. Not only were they unable to take it, but they responded with some pretty disingenuous, desperate and hilarious justifications for their behavior.
I found a good example of this justification on NL Berger's blog. Along with her groping, empty justifications, she claimed that she was a novelist and would be just fine with the idea of her work being publicly urinated on by #romfail. I never ever assume that ANYONE knows who the hell I am or what I do, and this was no exception, so I gave some of my credentials in my post. The #romfailures are now saying that I "bragged," and that I think I'm better than everyone else because of the number of books I've published and because I received an award. This, of course, was not my intention, and I think any reasonable person who reads the post can see that. But again, the response is pretty revealing and says a lot about what's eating at these people. I pointed out that I didn't believe NL Berger's claim that she'd be happy to have #romfail target her work for one second.
(continued ...)
As they say, you can't win.
But I've made my point. Well, to be more accurate, the #romfailures have made my point for me. And they are STILL making it, on and on and on, on Twitter, where they continue to excoriate me days later for expressing an opinion, for introducing myself by discussing my background and experience, and for pointing out that in writing, as in any field, there are professionals and there are amateurs and you're either one or the other. Even an apparent professional writer (Michelle_R) is beating this to death -- saying in one breath that she supports writers and finds #romfail disagreeable while in another saying I'm dismissing NL Berger's writing, being condescending and hateful, and supporting #romfail as if it were her own child. Listening to her, you'd think I'd set fire to a bunch of bunny rabbits and spit on the baby Jesus. But all the while, she's just driving my point home for me. All I did was prescribe a little of the same medicine the #romfailures have been handing out. They proved that while they demand everyone else toughen up and grow a pair, they are kitty-weak and empty of pants. I guess it's as true in adult life as it was on the playground -- the meanest bullies are really the most quivering, insecure sissies around.
I apologize for being so longwinded. Thank you, Mrs. Giggles, for the forum. Again, I appreciate the supportive comments. And Mrs. Giggles, you have a new fan.
I didn't mean to post anonymously. I don't do this sort of thing very often and I'm a computer clod, so I guess I screwed up.
Ray Garton
http://karenranney.wordpress.com/2009/08/2
I do find Ray disagreeable, I also support him in his right to be so -- my only point was that he doesn't really know the community and, while he might have a point, he is opining without being a fan of the genre.
As long as Ray's career has been, and that does give him insight, he doesn't know this genre and I'll put up the opinion of someone familiar with romance and erotic-romance, even if they're not a writer, before someone who walked in mid-conversation and is upset that I've pointed out he's late to the party.
I don't call myself a professional writer, but I do call myself a writer.
While discussing this elsewhere, I think I am in agreement with others that maybe it should be called publisherfail.
But would love someone to explain to my dumb self how this treatment is such a bad thing? TV shows and movies get similar treatment on twitter and in mainstream media, hell even celebrities themselves get treated worse in mainstream mags, blogs the whole kit kaboodle. I am not having a go at anyone, I can understand that it is not to everyone's tastes and people have the right to express that. But I am actually genuinely curious as to why it is apparently wrong to give books the same treatment?
Books are a product set before the consumers for them to spend their hard earned dosh on, so how are they above being dissed the same way that other products are?
I hope that makes sense to someone, lol.
If you want to debate whether things like Romfail and Queryfail are "right", well, my opinion is that you are free to do what you want online. Just have some thick skin and be prepared to face criticisms if you conduct such events.
Mean people suck!
I posted a much better argument towards this well documented fact at Ms. Berger's website. I am too lazy to repeat myself. Go read it yourself. I posted under my nom de plume Christopher (I didn't do a good job choosing my nom de plume and used my actual name. See lazy comment above).
http://tinyurl.com/mk6xcn
You keep running around the internet trying to put out fires that YOU have started, either with your posts -- which are confusing, sometimes incoherent, and all over the map -- or with unpleasant comments that you are now trying desperately to explain away. And with each attempt to put out a fire, you start a new one. You've dug a deep hole, and you're at the bottom of it. Before it gets any deeper, crawl out and put your shovel away. It's gotten to the point where you've become your own worst enemy in this. I've admitted that I said the things I said and behaved the way I behaved to make a point -- it was bait, the bait was swallowed, and my point was made. Anything beyond this point is kind of ... crazy and, well, embarassing. Please stop. Thank you.
I'm fine with trying to end this, because it makes me sick that people would think that of me in a million years.
It doesn't have to be a bunch of people picking on one individual for fun. Dear Author is constantly going on about her connections in the industry - use them. I'm sure an author would have no problem having her best-selling book critiqued if it was merely in jest and not perceived as an attack and people like me wouldn't feel like it's something cruel and unwarranted.
If #romfail was being presented as something to celebrate the genre I would gladly participate. As it stands right now it's perceived as picking on the little guy. A little professionalism is not too much to ask for from those who take my money in sales & affiliate bucks and make money when I visit their sites. Review the books, give them a failing grade, give the author something they can use to better their work if you think it's so crappy, but there's no need to humiliate them just so you can feel a little bigger.
If she really had "connections," she'd be working in publishing instead of running a snarky blog from her basement in Iowa that only about 50 people actually read on a regular basis. She engages in all these online shenanigans in an effort to draw site visitors (site visitors= ad dollars)